October 10 update: Here. It lists help forums for Kindles, Fires and other products. – D.R.
Amazon is about to kill its support forums on everything from Kindle products to music. The rumors are true.
The shutdown will happen October 13. What’s the logic here?
Amazon writes that “If you have a help question about your device, starting the morning of October 9th, Pacific Standard Time, we will be introducing an improved help forum experience, with expanded discussion categories.” I’m skeptical—let’s see.
Nate Hoffelder at the Digital Reader this week noted that the closure would be “a loss” to the user community. But he said: “Since the forums serve no clear purpose, why would Amazon keep them open?” He said that Amazon reps no longer bother with answering questions via the forums.
But not all useful information comes from Amazon. What about info from other customers—both positive and negative? And Spark and Goodreads, mentioned by Amazon and Nate, are no substitutes for the forums. They lack all the accumulated knowledge, which adds to the value of Amazon products. Granted, it’s tempting to herd customers into places where Amazon can more easily monetize their passions. But Bezos needs to think of the whole, even while favoring Spark and Goodreads. If nothing else, the forums reduce the load at least somewhat on Amazon’s phone support people.
I very much hope Amazon will reconsider, Nate, and ideally you’ll do the same. You, TeleRead readers and other members of the user community should join me in writing jeff@amazon.com and reminding Bezos how much the forums add to the value of Amazon’s offerings. Especially when anti-trust risks are increasing for Amazon, the company needs all the goodwill it can get from customers.
If nothing else, I hope that the links will stay in place. Loyal customers—I myself have spent thousands of dollars on Amazon over the years and rely on it for some of my groceries—don’t need corporately induced amnesia.
Never forget that corporations have cultures—meaning attitudes that govern how they think and act. When I lived in Seattle, I amused myself by studying the attitudes I detected in those who worked for Adobe, Amazon, Boeing, Microsoft and the rest.
Amazon employees were the hardest to study, and I felt that was because the company applied pressure to keep them silent. One did open up briefly to tell me “Never trust Amazon’s search results.” Another grumbled that the discounts employees got on Amazon products was tiny. That was pretty much it. In contrast, employees of the other companies were quite open about the good and bad of their employers.
A major factor in Amazon’s culture is not only an obsession with control, but an obsession with controlling what lies outside the company itself, including suppliers and competitors. Amazon is a bit like old Prussia in that respect.
In the nineteenth century Europeans would say that Prussia was “too big for Europe and too small for the world.” Too big for Europe meant that its industrial and military muscle threatened European peace. Too small for the world meant that Prussian global ambitions would fail because on the world stage it was not big enough to dominate, particularly in comparison to the U.S. or the British empire. That’s why Germany fared so badly in the twentieth century.
So it is quite easy to see why Amazon doesn’t like forums that it cannot control. Those focus on Amazon products in contrast to customer reviews of products made by others. Amazon doesn’t mind people saying, “this food blender stinks” because that simply means that people will buy a different company’s blender from Amazon. That contrasts with negative comments about Amazon’s products, where the result might be someone buying a competitor’s product from elsewhere. That Amazon hates.
I have watched in amazement over the years as federal agencies, tasked with prevented corporate abuse of power, have done nothing about Amazon. I have been amazed as Amazon, the largest book retailer, was able to buy Audible, the top audiobook retailer, The Book Depository (once a key competitor in international sales), as well begin print and ebook publishing affiliates that benefit from their Amazon connection.
My explanation for that the Beltway federal government is so obsessed with control and dominance that it finds Amazon’s similar attitude appealing. Big bullies like other big bullies. The latter live quite well in eight of the country’s ten wealthiest countries—those surrounding DC. And yes, in that context it does matter than Jeff Bezos does own the Washington Post, which might be considered their newspaper.
Indeed the loudest sound in our political life comes from all the money being sucked out of middle America and settling in the vicinity of our our capital—much like in The Hunger Games. And what does America get in return—thousands of niggling regulations.
We see that in politics too, as politicians sneer at the nation’s ‘bitter clingers’ and ‘deplorables’ and feel that they deserve to be stomped on or put out of work. Sitting at the top of the economic pile, they want most jobs to move to wherever in the world that labor is cheapest (iPhones in China) and for those that can’t be exported, say housekeepers, they want that cheap labor imported by the millions. That explains their fury at Trump, who intends to fix both problems.
Economic abuse like Amazon’s was once not prosecuted. Long ago, John Rockefeller got stomped on because his Standard Oil dominated the oil industry, crushing competition. The parallel to Amazon would have him dominated not just oil but the manufacture of cars and any other product that used oil products, as well as owning a growing number of auto retailers.
John Rockeller’s misbehavior eventually led him to become the ‘most hated man in America.’ Jeff Bezos could suffer a similar fate, particularly as his company creates a great wasteland across the nation where few retail jobs exist. Their replacement is the modern equivalent of the industrial revolution’s ‘dark satanic mills—grim warehouses, perhaps one per state, where workers slave away, driven by brutal tracking devices. And like Rockefeller before him, Bezos has begun playing the ‘charitable giving’ ploy.
At present, the only real restraint on Amazon’s obsession with control is customer dissatisfaction that would lead to reduced sales. Unfortunately, that’s countered by all the Amazon fanbots who’re almost as mindless in their corporate following as Apple’s own variety. I do not think I will ever understand the cult mind.
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If Amazon wants to monetize the forums, they could simply move them. They could probably move the whole KDP forum into Goodreads with some internet redirect magic and the users would barely notice. If they want to shut down dissent, they won’t be able to–they’ll just send it elsewhere. That would not be in line with the maxim “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer,” but whomever is making the decisions might not be that wise.
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They shut the forums down because of the massive amounts of complaints from customers about over-prized Prime memberships, ridiculously terrible AMZL delivery services, prices for Prime products being inflated to support their “free” shipping and many, many other valid concerns of customers.
What easier way than simply shutting down that platform and let them complain somewhere else where not the whole world realizes how much of a rip-off Amazon actually is…
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Agreed. Amazon Prime is a rip off. Pay to get decent service or it takes 2-3 months to delivery. Ordered my Black Diamond Z Black Oxide Trekking Poles 2 months ago and still yet to receive it. It was back in stock off and on but I don’t have Prime and got passed up for shipping. Instead, someone with Prime got it first even though I ordered 2 months ago. 2 Months and still no delivery. Now it says expected delivery: TODAY but it’s not even shipped. Good job Amazon!
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